Friday, January 21, 2005

Bush plugs the Koran

Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self. That edifice of character is built in families, supported by communities with standards, and sustained in our national life by the truths of Sinai, the Sermon on the Mount, the words of the Koran, and the varied faiths of our people.

In his short post on the inaugural address, Glenn Reynolds picks up on George W. Bush plugging the Koran.

What's the Koran doing in there? It's bad enough that every inauguration speech has to be plugged full of talk about God, why do we now have to plug a religion that that wants to convert us via a holy war?

Either Bush or his speechwriter was hoping that Muslims listening to the speech would think, "America is a great place because Bush reads the Koran. Let's all support American foreign policy."

I don't see how the words of the Koran have anything to do with "self-government." The more devoutly Islamic the nation, the less self-government it seems to have. Only Turkey has democracy, and they practice a secular form of Islam there. And I don't trust the Islamist AKP party that's now in power there.

10 comments:

TWM said...

Why is it "bad enough" that every inaguration speech is "plugged full of God?"

First of all, he said God three times in a 17 minute speech - hardly plugged full. And one of those three was when he said "May God bless you" at the end. By contrast he said "freedom" 27 times and "liberty" 17 times.

Secondly, I hate to break it to you, but our nation was FORMED with God very much in mind - and despite the efforts of secularists,it has been SUCCESSFUL in part because it was formed with God in mind.

As to mentioning the Koran. Our nation is supposed to be inclusive and it doesn't hurt to throw a "bone" to the more reasonable members of the religion you happen to be having the most trouble with these days.

It is simply common sense to reach out to those people in the hope that they will someday reign in the more fundamentalist members of Islam that are funding, manning, and encouraging the terrorists that we are at war with.

There are plenty of Muslims that want something other than a fundamentalist Islamic government. Appealing to those people is smart.

Chad said...

One of the things to remember about Turkey is the first duty of their Military is to maintain the secular nature of the state. Another thing, don't forget that some of the most repressive Muslim nations are actually secular states. Syria, the former Iraq, and Indonesia come to mind immediately followed closely by Egypt, and Sudan.

Jeremy said...

If you "don't see how the words of the Koran have anything to do with 'self-government'", then how in the hell can you support the War in Iraq?

If the WMD argument is faulty, and the "teaching democracy to Muslims" argument is invalid, what are you left with?

Or do your posts not require any ideological consistency?

Charles said...

You know, if I was to believe the vast left wing conspiracy's propoganda machine, where Bush is this evil genius pulling all sorts of world ruling secret society strings (as opposed to the other vlwc theory where he is a total idiot who can't tie his shoes, but defeated Kerry), then I would see this as a deception operation thrown to muslims. Brilliant! He can point to it, as can they, saying how he honors their beliefs, as do all Americans. At the same time, he can slap them for not reciprocating to show their internationalist views and readiness to join the world community, when they try to block equality, democracy, freedom by remaining closed and overly religious (thus backward) societies. Just wait until he starts quoting it back to them to show how violence means the suicide bombers aren't getting their 72 virgins.

Steph said...

>Secondly, I hate to break it to you, but our nation was FORMED with God very much in mind - and despite the efforts of secularists,it has been SUCCESSFUL in part because it was formed with God in mind.

Secondly, I hate to break it to you, but our nation was FORMED with /private morality/ very much in mind - and despite the efforts of /fundamentalists/, it has been SUCCESSFUL in part because it was formed with/out the fundamentalist Christian/ God in mind.

>Our nation is supposed to be inclusive

I'm assuming that you're implying that inclusion is bad. How?

TWM said...

Funny how this country wasn't formed with God in mind and yet we have all those references to God in our history. Somebody should have told those folks.

TWM said...

How do you assume that I was implying that inclusiveness was bad? Seriously, how do you remotely get that from what I said?

Me thinks you are working to hard at this - LOL

Steph said...

>Funny how this country wasn't formed with God in mind and yet we have all those references to God in our history. Somebody should have told those folks.

Yeah, I know. Deists are pretty cool, aren't they? The Deist God they referenced was nothing like the Christian God worshipped today.

For example, Jefferson didn't believe Jesus was the son of God, that it was added later in the Bible by his followers, and that he didn't even do miracles. Is this the type of person you want representing Christianity (if you're anything like the crazy, or even reasonable Christians around here, you'll say no)?

>How do you assume that I was implying that inclusiveness was bad? Seriously, how do you remotely get that from what I said?

The fact that you said it was "supposed" to be, implying that it's a duty but not necessarily a good one... do you get what I'm trying to say? I might've been reading too much into it, but it seemed to me you were saying, "those PC fools want us to be inclusive, so why don't we use their beliefs against them?"

>Me thinks you are working to hard at this - LOL

'Tis better than hardly working... lol.

TWM said...

They were not all Deists, no matter how much you wish they were. Jefferson is the favorite example, but he wasn't the ONLY founding father as you know. Many were simply Christians.

And what I was saying is that it is hypocritical for anyone to say mentioning the Koran was somehow wrong when those same people say we are not inclusive enough.

But yeah, I certainly don't mind using the beliefs of hypocrites against them.

Had Kerry been elected and mentioned God in his speech a dozen times, no one would have said a thing. That is another hypocritical thing about the left.

Than again, since the left knows Kerry probably wouldn't MEAN anything he said then I guess it wouldn't be hypocritical - just dishonest.

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