Monday, January 17, 2005

New Jersey family slain by Muslim terrorists?

Fox News is pushing this story about a NJ family of four, all found stabbed to death in their house.

Hossam Armanious, a Coptic (Egyptian) Christian, posted anti-Muslim statements on the internet and received death threats because of it. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that this isn't just a robbery but a religiously motivated slaying.

The other news sites seem to be ignoring the story (although it appears in the NY Times as a New York region story). Probably because it contradicts the "Islam is a religion of peace" mantra that apologists are trying to promote.

UPDATE

Not a big deal in the MSM but all over the internet: My Side Of the Couch, Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin, Power Line, Heroes From the Past, Secure Liberty, Back Of the Envelope, Outerific, Smooth Stone, Dawn Patrol, Relapsed Catholic, Key Monk, Fladen Experience, Crossing the Rubicon, Dreams Into Lightening, Jihad Watch plus many more. Good thing we have blogs to keep the MSM honest.

UPDATE II

I can't believe that this story about a dead baby makes CNN's front page while the much more important story of a massacre commited by Islamic extemists in our own country is ignored.

22 comments:

TWM said...

Good analysis.

Had a "right-wing Christian" murdered an Islamic family, the liberal press would be all over it.

A. C. Quinn said...

The K.K.K.'s sick brand of Christianity killed many people in American history.

Is Christianity a "religion of violence"?

Stacey said...

As someone who lives in Egypt, I can certainly attest to the "rising" tensions here between Copts and Muslims (I say "rising" because the tensions really seem to go in cycles, but this is definitely a bad phase of the cycle). That said, I think it's pretty ambitious to suggest, on the basis of the Fox article alone, that you can "solve" a day-old ongoing investigation. It's possible that the other papers are being prudent - Fox only reported that the family of the victims alleged that it was religious and that there was a history of threats. There is also evidence consistent with robery, though I admit that the lack of forced entry is curious.

If you read the things that I post on my own site about the detrimental (and often violent) effects of some forms of Islamist discourse, you would know that I don't fit into the "apologist" category. I hope that you'll take my word on it as someone "on the ground" that the Coptic community, while unquestionably persecuted (especially by the government of Egypt) is often militant in its own counter-responses, and that the relationship between Copts and Muslims here the complicated result of about 1300 years of coexistence. I would not be surprised if this does turn out to be religiously-motivated, but nor am I prepared to decide the case on as little as you have.

This crime is an unquestionable tragedy, but I hardly think that those who wait for the investigation to conclude (or even proceed past the first day) can be labeled mentally deficient or apologist.

Steph said...

>Hossam Armanious, a /Muslim/, posted anti-/Christian/ statements on the internet and received death threats because of it. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that this isn't just a robbery but a religiously motivated slaying.

>The other news sites seem to be ignoring the story (although it appears in the NY Times as a New York region story). Probably because it contradicts the "/Christianity/ is a religion of peace" mantra that apologists are trying to promote.

If a Christian did the exact same thing, his religion would barely enter into the equation, and pockets of extremists would even be congratulating him. But a Muslim does this, and people assume that everyone that shares his religion is the same. It's just sad...

And I assume that you've read the Quran cover-to-cover, so you're an expert on it, right?

Stacey said...

As a follow-up, several more papers, some national and some highly regional (Kentucky-Lexington Dispatch?) have started running the story, though most are running a syndicated piece by the Associated Press:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-01-14-family-slain-nj_x.htm

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38587.htm

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/special_packages/iraq/10649138.htm

mikeca said...

The mainstream media is very cautious about publishing potentially inflammatory stories of this type when the facts are suggestive, but unconfirmed. The Fox story says that local officials are downplaying the religious connection, which is probably part of the reason mainstream media is not running with this story.

Aaronlane said...

That's the "Lexington Herald-Leader". I know they're awfully sneaky about their name ... posting it at the top of the page there simply isn't quite fair.

It is the second largest paper in Kentucky (After the Louisville Communist Journal) and is one of thousands across the nation who reprint the AP WIRE broadcasts directly to their webpage.

This Wire report was filed by Jeff Gold, a beat stringer in New Jersey. Nothing fancy here, move along.

Jacqueline Mackie Paisley Passey said...

Christians murder gays, doctors, etc. all the time.

TWM said...

Puhlease . . .

If a Christian did this to a Muslim family it would be all over the media. And while some nuts who also happen to be Christian would no doubt celebrate the event, that is a big contrast to pretty much the entire Muslim world celebrating when a Christian is beheaded or a couple of towers come crashing down.

The left's attempt to compare the Christianity of hundreds of years ago (i.e. The Crusades) with Christianity today is laughable. And the KKK was about racism, not religion - it's not like the fact that most Southern blacks were Christians made any difference, did it?

A better analogy would be to compare The Crusades to Islam's current attempt to take over the world via violence and unrestrained immigration (to the EU for example.)

Old Blind Dog said...

David said:

"A better analogy would be to compare The Crusades to Islam's current attempt to take over the world via violence and unrestrained immigration "

Okay, lets compare. The crusades were a response to invasion and an attempt to take over the world via violence and unrestrained immigration. Hmmm...sounds just like what we see today.

TWM said...

Am I to understand that you believe the Islamic violence against America is the result of the Iraq war? That the immigration into Europe by millions of Muslims is a result of this as well?

I guess that pretty much excludes all the stuff that ocurred PRIOR to the war, doesn't it?

LOL

Old Blind Dog said...

How can you turn what I said so inside out? You had better re-read it. Our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a response to Islamic violence just as the Crusades were a response to Islamic violence. The big myth is that we (Western Civ) were the villain in the Crusades when in fact we were fighting a defensive war (as we are today). We were attacked first. Or did you forget that?

The Real History of the Crusades

Old Blind Dog said...

To keep on topic, here is more on Muslim persecution of Christians: Do Christians Bleed?: Unreported persecution in the Muslim world

TWM said...

Old Blind Dog,

My apologies. I did misread you. Obviously I thought you were doing the "Iraq is the reason they hate us" thing and I replied in that vein.

What was funny was that later on while trying to fall asleep I thought about my post and said to myself "I wonder if he meant that the Crusades were in response to Islamic aggression?" - LOL

Anyway, sorry, man

David

TWM said...

Oh, and I know that the Crusades were in response to Islamic aggression.

My analogy was flawed, of course, but I was trying to educate these people who compare today's Christianity with Islam, and since they all believe the Crusades were aggression against Islam it seemed like a good way to do it.

Steph said...

>If a Christian did this to a Muslim family it would be all over the media.

Yes, it would be, but not because a Christian did it. It would be portrayed as a hate crime, at best. The fact that a Christian did it would seem to be irrelevant. Unless further news came out that it was religiously-motivated, almost no one would even consider that it would be.

>And while some nuts who also happen to be Christian would no doubt celebrate the event, that is a big contrast to pretty much the entire Muslim world celebrating when a Christian is beheaded or a couple of towers come crashing down.

You mean the nuts of the Muslim world. And I don't see them celebrating this particular crime, do you? So your statement would be irrelevant.

And, by the way, many people in our country *do* celebrate when they see Muslims killed, or belittle the fact that they've been tortured/locked up indefinitely while in the custody of the US (even Muslims innocent of any "aggression or plotting against the US")...

TWM said...

The fact that you do not see them celebrating these murders has more to do with the fact that they probably don't know about them, than their feelings about them

My guess is that this had not been big news on the Arab TV stations since, well, it was a Christian family that was murdered - and probably by Islamic fundamentalists (i.e, terrorists).

And it is simply not true that many Christians would - are - celebrating these murders. If it were the liberal press would be all over it.

Steph said...

>My guess is that this had not been big news on the Arab TV stations since, well, it was a Christian family that was murdered - and probably by Islamic fundamentalists (i.e, terrorists).

If they were so big about celebrating whenever a Christian were killed, wouldn't they report more, not less?

>And it is simply not true that many Christians would - are - celebrating these murders. If it were the liberal press would be all over it.

Ok, then, *some* Christians. The most extremist elements. Just as the extremist elements of Islam celebrate whenever there are Christians murdered.

TWM said...

Ok, we can argue Christian fundamentalists versus Islamic fundamentalists all day long, but the fact is the former spend their time shilling for dollars on religious TV and the latter cut off the heads of "infidels."

Frankly, I prefer a guy trying to scam money from me over a guy slipping a long knife into my neck. But, hey, that is just me.

Steph said...

>Ok, we can argue Christian fundamentalists versus Islamic fundamentalists all day long, but the fact is the former spend their time shilling for dollars on religious TV and the latter cut off the heads of "infidels."

See abortion clinics and Christian fundamentalists.

djfkdfk said...

Ok well I just wanted to say one thing. This family didnt do anything wrong and they didn't diserve anything that happend to them. Its pissing me off how the media is changing around the whole story saying their head wasn't chopped off and that they wearn't strangled becasue they know that this act is diplayed from muslims. They changed the story and said they were stabbed and i think thats rediculous. I also hate how the media isn't covering this story anymore becasue they dont think its a big deal but its a huge deal. The media is also portraying coptic people as loud obnoxious trouble makers but news flash, get your facts straight before you say lies about people!

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