Thursday, December 30, 2004

Is the U.S. stingy with tsunami aid? Who cares.

I agree with the post at Hammer of Truth. American taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay for Tsunami relief. It's not our responsibility to help those who refuse to help themselves. The reason why the countries hurt by the tsunami are too poor to afford their own tsunami relief is because their governments are corrupt and they don't allow free markets to flourish and create wealth. Sri Lanka especially is considered one of the most corrupt governments in the world.

The United States, which today has the biggest budget deficit ever in our country's history, already spends billions of dollars more on foreign aid than we should.

20 comments:

coasterJoe said...

I agree. It is funny how these people hate America and then come running to us for money when a disaster hits. I also agree that it is the governments of these countries that hold back the free economy to keep power and corruption alive.

Johanna och Andreas said...

Being a libertarian does not mean being without a heart. It is not the corrupt governments and institutions that are suffering right now but the poor people on the streets. And they may have a responsibility in putting the regimes there, but right now who cares. Go there and tell them face to face your stupid ideas instead of insulting us reading your blog with your heartless thoughts. I am a libertrian that gives money to people in need, and I dont waste my or others intellect by thinking twice about it.

Bruce said...

Well, Day #2 in the blogosphere and someone's already called you heartless, and your ideas stupid.

You might just make it here.

Publicola said...

Johanna,
Having a heart does not mean you force other people to act as you think they should. Miss LG simply said that it's wrong to force people through taxation to provide money for others in need; that does not mean she is against people voluntarily giving aid.

here are two things to look at that might help explain what the truly heartless approach is:

Republican Liberty Caucus: What We Believe by Rob Booth Mostly Cajun posts a speech gave by Rep. David CrocketLG,
Working for the gub'mint in D.C.? Talk about the belly of the beast. :) Interesting site so far; I look forward to seeing what you produce. Welcome to the blogosphere.

torr said...

I think you're confused. You're obviously Republican Girl, not Libertarian with a self-centered attitude like that. This has nothing to do with what country it occured in. I'm sure you'd be taking all the money you could get from other countries had this happened in the U.S.

TWM said...

It could just be the cynic in me, but after visiting Johanna's blog it appears she might spend a lot of winters vacationing in that part of the world. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but if that is true, her sentimentality is clouding her judgment. Or maybe she just wants her vacation home rebuilt?

And you got a ton more comments on one post than I ever get - I think I need to get rid of my heart too - LOL

Henry said...

I'm jealous. You already have commenters and a readership on your 2nd day. The only people who read me, is well, me.

I finally got some random person, but I hate it when people post anonymously without leaving a name.

Ivan said...

India has a policy of not accepting overseas aid for any disasters. They have dispatched aid to Sri Lanka from their own resources.
Generally, when you find a country suffers relatively huge disaster, it can be hard for that country whatever it's wealth or corruption to deal with the situation on its own.
And I seem to remember that the world rallied to the US after 9/11.

Manjunatha said...

Thailand as well as India don't accept donations from foreign governments. Although most of the countries in this region do need expertise help in handling the situation subsequent to the disaster. As an Indian, I do agree people in general shouldn't be forced to help the people in distress. Ideally, all these countries must be left to fend themeselves. But if you look at the region of Aceh that could be asking too much.

BigDirigible said...

The trouble with blog comments is that you immediately realize that most readers haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. It gets depressing. Without comments, you can always fantasize that your readers are intelligent and insightful. Hey, works for me!

J_Dunn said...

Yup, the US is an EVIL and STINGY imperialistic power... Yup.... That's why we've only written $350mil on Uncle Sam's checkbook (not including all the aircraft carriers and soldiers helping out there right now)....

Oh wait, that's right, private donations from US citizens have now hit $1 bil.... So basically we've given what.... $1.35 billion so far? Yup sounds real stingy to me. I just love how other countries can't wrap their brains around the idea that in our eyes the gov't isn't the best means of handeling relief effort, and think they have the right to judge how "giving" we are. Anyone who thinks we're stingy please prove me wrong, show me one country that has given more in combined private and federal donations or done as much to provide assistance as we have. Doubt it will happen though.

alstar1 said...

You should do the math and research on how much this country spend of "tax payers" money on military defenses. These are your own tax dollars, which goes in the hundreths of billions. In comparsion the small amount of 350 Mil will sound like a small donation. I hope that after seeing all the images and hearing all the sad stories your views have have taken a diferent, more humane perspective about this tragedy. I think helping others in need is far better than spending those same dollars on guns and bullets, which kill people.

Puma said...

Thank you alstar1. I love how folks suddenly develop amnesia when it comes to their tax dollars paying for bombs.

Greg said...

The good thing about living in a real democracy is that you can express your displeasure about elected officials at the ballot box. No one is "forcing" taxpayers to give out tsunami relief funds. They re-elected the Bush administration, which showed its character with plenty of both domestic and foreign spending. Few people really care that much, which I know frustrates the hell out of libertarians but that's the price of being a minority.

Big Gav said...

Could you please change your name to "NeoConservative Girl" or "Republican Girl" or "Freeper Girl" ?

You are giving Libertarians a bad name with comments like this...

Big Gav said...

Anyone who thinks we're stingy please prove me wrong, show me one country that has given more in combined private and federal donations or done as much to provide assistance as we have. Doubt it will happen though.Australia has. And it has less than 10% of your population.

I suspect Sweden has given a lot more per capita as well - why don't you post some rankings (I'm sure the UN can provide some) to prove your point next time instead of just making stuff up ?

J_Dunn said...

Ok so let me get this right... Aid only counts when the gov't itself gives it? So the $200 I sent to Americare doesn't count as an American and thus America giving aid? Please use some common sense. As of the time of my last post, non-profit US organizations had given $1 billion to the relief effort. All of those organizations received their money from citizens of this country, thus AMERICA gave $1 bil to the relief effort not counting what the gov't gave ($350 Mil)... So that doesn't count eh? I'll remember that next time Salvation Army is out on christmas eve looking for donations.. I'll be sure to tell them "I paid my taxes, get it from the gov't, because according to everyone else that is all that counts when it comes to charity".

As for per capita, who cares about per capita.... If you have 100,000 people in your city, your house burns down and you ask for charity from them do you really need $10 from every citizen to rebuild your house? I think not. It's not just a matter of "how much can you give" it's also a matter of how much should you give/do they need, and given we provided over $37.8 bil in foreign aid last year (more than triple the second place runner up) I don't see as how anyone really has room to say "we're stingy" or don't give enough. Keep in mind for your "per capita" point of view... We only make up 5% of the world's population and we provide 30-40% of the foreign aid yearly (as well as paying for 30% of the operating costs of the UN, etc., etc., etc.).

I don't know where some of these people grew up, but my folks always used to tell me don't look a gift horse in the mouth... Especially one bearing FAR more money than anyone else has so far ponied up.

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Norak said...

Libertarians believe people should give money privately instead of government giving money.

Libertarianism doesn't believe that innocent civilians should die because they are unable to reform their corrupt governments. Libertarianism is not anarchism.

First you blame the citizens in developing countries beause they have corurpt government, saying they deserve to die because of this. Then you critize your own gvoernment for giving foreign aid, which you claim is corrupt. Therefore, shouldn't you believe you deserve to die?

"I agree. It is funny how these people hate America and then come running to us for money when a disaster hits. "

Who says Sri Lankans hate Americans?

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