Thursday, January 06, 2005

Why do we care if Norway thinks we're stingy?

I've been looking all over the right wing blogosphere for interesting posts, but nearly every blog I read is posting about the same thing. "Look at how many hundreds of millions of dollars of tsunami aid we gave! We are not stingy!"

I think there's so much irony here. Right wing blogs have normally critized the left wing for caring about what Europeans think of us. Liberals would say "Bush is a bad president because Europeans don't like him," and then right wing bloggers would go crazy and write "who cares what Europeans think?"

But now right wing blogs are doing the same thing. Some guy from Norway says America is stingy, and the only thing the right wing blogosphere can think about is trying to prove how we aren't stingy. God forbid the Europeans think badly of us!

13 comments:

Jeremy said...

Man, I may be a non-socialist, private health care, gun toting, free market libertarian, but even I think Europe is cool.

Do I care what Europe thinks of America? Hell, yeah.

And c'mon - shouldn't you be coming down on foreign aid to countries like Israel and Egypt before coming down on foreign aid to disaster victims? Choose your battles wisely!

Libertarian Girl said...

I think Europe is cooler than the United States too, but that wasn't exactly my point :)

TWM said...

After having lived in Europe for six years I have to disagree with you two - America is way more "kewler" than Europe. Don't get me wrong - a visit is nice - but there is nothing Europe has to offer than America can not match or do better.

And I don't really think that the right really cares what Europeans think about America - at least not in a Sally Field "You like me, you really like me" sense.

No, if the right worries about how Europe feels about America it is only because their policies impact on how freedom and democracy flourish and how America "gets along" in the world. And, to be very specific for the moment, on our safety as regards the war on terrorism.

So yeah, we care, but we don't really "care." And I REALLY don't care what those cheese-eating surrender monkeys (The French) think.

HomelessJosh said...

I am just a radio guy from MI, no real political persuasion (Although I was raised an Elephant).

It looks to me that this is a battle over the the HS Class president. The INDIE kids in Europe fighting with the (self-proclaimed)Popular crowd of America. The rest of the world comprises the "regular" classmates. (And of course we all have to figure out our own ways to deal with the trouble-makers).

This trajedy allows for mud slinging and out-doing in the battle for this theoretical status. It's a shame that it is a political fiasco. But this is the world we exhist in. Rumors spread like wildfire in these halls and how much a super-power helps out will determine the ego-status of said power. I am just glad nothing catch-phrasie has come of this.

Although... If you need one, How about, A WAVE of Relief (BA-Zing)!

Jeremy said...

I'm sorry, I love America, I really do - but European culture kicks buh-shiz-nit out of American.

Yes, there are lots of things that America does better. But America is quantity... Europe is quality.

I spent my junior year of high school in Germany. Fricking loved it. There were down sides but overall I like the lifestyle.

Ocean lover said...

I don't really think it's a case of caring what Europe thinks of us, so much as what the news reports about us. In this day and age, we all know that the media is a major influence in the way people think, act, vote, etc... I think the fact that the media made so much out of this comment, cause a knee jerk reaction from the America as a whole. I think the only reason President Bush justified the comments from the Norwegian was because the media was making sure that the American citizens got all hyped up and pissed off. Ultimately, you're right. Who cares What the Norwegians think of us, or anyone else for that matter. As the guy before me said, Europe is a good place to visit, but there is no comparison when you put it against the U.S.

Mr. X said...

I've been looking all over the right wing blogosphere for interesting posts, but nearly every blog I read is posting about the same thing. "Look at how many hundreds of millions of dollars of tsunami aid we gave! We are not stingy!"Let me get this straight. You're straining your ears in an echo chamber trying to hear the interesting voice, but all you hear is echoes. Shocking.

People parroting each other's thoughts is uninteresting even if you agree with them. Blogging is writing about things that interest you, not trolling the popular blogs to find something to talk about.

If you're not finidng interesting things to write about by reading the "right wing blogosphere," try reading something else.

Yours truly,
Mr. X

...delivering the answers...

D said...

I say screw what Europe thinks. We are in the middle of a very costly war, a war in which virtually all of Europe has opted not to help with. When they start to give a damn about what we think, I will think about reciporcating...maybe.

Neo the One said...

We, the Europeans, love you! What we don't like is your crazy government and the fact that there are some many weapons produced in the U.S. and for the U.S.
Hey, okay, I can only speak for myself, there ARE some antiamerican elements in german left, but most of german and european progressive movement knows the U.S. to be a partner, not an enemy! Your Pres is a gag and his secretarys and advisors dangerous and clever! That's the point...

Adam said...

Well, it annoyed the hell out of me, but not because I care what some guy from Norway says. I don't like someone verbally attacking my country, when that someone is working for the United Nations. We pay too much of their budget for them to smear us, and we give way too much in aid for people to accuse us of being stingy.

That said, it isn't important enough for ME to blog about. I'd rather complain about American government figures.

And no way is Europe cooler than the United States. They do have more culture, but we're in a way, way better position government wise. Way less socialism. Now if we could have their countries and our government... but that's imperialistic of me.

TWM said...

Neo:

Hmm, well, since over half the American people voted for Bush, I would say you're not liking our "crazy" government pretty much means you don't like over half of the American people. And if it makes you feel better, we don't hate Europeans - we just hate your "crazy" governments.

Oh, and Jeremy. What exactly about Europe do you like? Can you give me a few examples of quality over quantity?

And, Mr.X? If you check out the "left wing blogosphere" you find the same thing written over and over again by left wing bloggers. It is the nature of the beast that conservatives believe as other conservatives and liberals believe as liberals.

The question is not whether WE all agree with each other, but what you take from us when you read our opinions.

Jeremy said...

Hmm, well, since over half the American people voted for Bush, I would say you're not liking our "crazy" government pretty much means you don't like over half of the American people.I'm cool with that - although I think it's valid to consider that well intentioned people make mistakes from time to time. I do have friends who voted for Bush, but did so only because they have kids and are scared to death. I choose not to judge them harshly.

And if it makes you feel better, we don't hate Europeans - we just hate your "crazy" governments.That's not neccessarily true - a LOT of people hate French people. I just hate French teenagers :-)

Oh, and Jeremy. What exactly about Europe do you like? Can you give me a few examples of quality over quantity?Easy: food, leisure opportunities, atmosphere, culture... I could go on and on.

And, Mr.X? If you check out the "left wing blogosphere" you find the same thing written over and over again by left wing bloggers.I agree. And if a blog doesn't have anything original to say, I won't read it.

It is the nature of the beast that conservatives believe as other conservatives and liberals believe as liberals.I think all Mr. X is asking for is thoughtful writing and a less whiny tone... it's currently en vogue to bitch about other people's blogs, and so it's an easy mistake for a newbie to make.

The question is not whether WE all agree with each other, but what you take from us when you read our opinions.And how entertaining and engaging a writer you are. Most libertarian writers make me want to snooze.

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