Thursday, January 06, 2005

Why we need a breast implant tax

Two days ago I blogged about the radio contest where the prize was a free breast augmentation surgery. Since then, I have been doing some additional thinking.

I agree with the National Organization for Women that breast augmentation surgery is a bad thing. An unnecessary medical procedure obviously brings needless health risks to the person undergoing the surgery.

Being a libertarian, I believe that people should be allowed to do whatever they want provided no one else is harmed. But does breast augmentation surgery harm others? I believe the answer is yes.

Breast augmentation surgery is a negative sum game. The surgery increases the recipient's attractiveness (because men are so stupid), but only at the expense of other women whose natural breasts become less attractive in comparison to the increasing population of surgically augmented women.

If every woman got breast augmentation surgery, it would not change the overall female attractiveness of society (because men would quickly become desensitized to seeing bigger breasts), but would have negative health effects because large numbers of women would suffer from post-surgery complications.

The typical liberal response might be the desire to make the surgery illegal. But I disagree. If a woman wants the surgery badly enough, she should be allowed to obtain it, but only if she pays back the externality she causes.

So I call for the implementation of a breast implant tax. Four thousand dollars for a pair of implants seems like an arbitrarily acceptable amount. With about a quarter of a million surgeries performed every year, the breast implant tax would raise a billion dollars of revenue annually. (Of course, demand for the procedure would decline after the tax was implemented, so we would raise somewhat less than a billion--but the whole purpose of the tax is to discourage the procedure, so this would be the desired effect.)

UPDATE

I wrote more on this subject: breast implant tax revisited.

75 comments:

AnotherGeek said...

Don't you think though that those women who signed up for that radio gig made their own decision on what they wanted to do. The radio station didn't force them to sign up for it....just my 2¢

Larry said...

I just had to say that I find your posts wickedly entertaining.

I don't necessarily agree that breast augmentation surgery increases the recipient's attractiveness. Noticeability is a different story. And I've never personally been harmed by breast augmentation.

Also, all men aren't stupid (though I certainly may be). I'd like to personally apologize on behalf of all men if your experience has indicated otherwise. At least you don't see a lot of men getting genital augmentation surgery to impress women. Of course that could be because we have no tolerance for pain (especially there).

I would discourage a tax for the simple reason that self esteem is a funny thing. Some women feel that their self-esteem is improved if their breasts are larger. Of course others feel that their earning potential is improved for the same reason.

Now if you were proposing a general tax on elective plastic surgery procedures that are not medically necessary I could see that, as it doesn't discriminate based on gender (or ephemeral self esteem).

Paul Snively said...

I would also offer the anecdotal evidence that in Los Angeles, especially in the San Fernando Valley, home of America's pornography industry, the desensitization has largely already occurred: not only breast augmentation, but all manner of other cosmetic surgery, is obviously used both by the "mainstream" and "adult" entertainment industries. As a consequence, I'm not sure that I agree with your claim that it's a negative-sum game. Instead, I think there are Nash equilibria in the reproductive market just as in other markets: women who are more attractive, whether due to surgery or nature, select partners according to whatever criteria make sense to them, and in the LA market can make a very different set of demands than might be the case elsewhere. In the end, it all balances out until there's a new local maximum—a new Nash equilibrium—to move to.

Pete Harrigan said...

Taxing away negative externalities with an arbitrarily set dollar amount? Hand over your libertarian party card right now. I don't care if you are blond and hot, you can't say th.... wait, did I say I don't care if you are blond and hot? Sorry, I'm not making any sense.

Brian Macker said...

I hope this was an attempt at humor. Since when are externalities something that Libertarians worry about? Why is the negative externalities experienced by other women more important than the positive externalities of men?

This is a strange sort of negative externality you are claiming in that it rests on a positive one. After all the other women wouldn't be "less attractive in comparison" unless the positive externality were a fact.

So when are we going to start taxing makeup, hair dye, and bleach?

This whole post smacks of the stupid kids in a class being upset with the smart ones for "wrecking the curve" on the final.

Now had you framed your article in terms of fraudulent advertising then I might have bought it on libertarian grounds. But then the makeup would still have to go.

Charles said...

"surgically augmented women" Wow, I have to slow down and read your posts from the beginning and stop that initial skipping around. The only desenitization that would occur to men would be as women felt some bizarre need to get larger and larger breasts implanted on themselves, until they needed wheelbarrows to tote those things around. I guess some augmentation is okay, I have met women who were A-cups and felt much better with implants to a B. On the other hand, I met a couple who had breast reduction surgery (not that any red-blooded American male could understand the need for that) who said it cured back pain and made them feel a lot better also. Otherwise, I say just leave them alone!

Seth said...

"men would quickly become desensitized to seeing bigger breasts"?

Not in our lifetime...

Jeremy said...

Glad we're getting our politcal priorities straight, LG :-)

Libertarian Girl said...

Big breasts are like high heels: sexy but impractical.

Robin said...

I really have to disagree on the "harm" done by breast implants. I have never seen an 'augmented' woman who was half as attractive as a natural woman, even if the natural woman was flat chested.

The sexiest girl I ever dated was almost completely flat. It's not the breasts that make a woman sexy, it's her attitude, personality, and the special twinkle in her eye that indicates intelligence and a sense of humor.

There's not a surgery in the world that can fake that.

Jazz said...

This idea is just plain wrong, but it's going to take me a while to put my finger on exactly why it is wrong.

Sippy said...

The whole premise that someone who wants to change thier body should be concerned about the fragile self esteem of somone else and that not trying to protect the self esteem of others can be equated to "harm" is preposterous.

Why should an individual be held responsible for the self esteem of another? After all self esteem comes form the "self".

Should we force a tax on those who drive Hummers because it makes somone else feel bad that they can only drive a Ford and the man driving a Hummer is more attractive to women than men driving a Ford? The Hummer (or Porche or Ferarri etc. anyting that projects success and money) after all potentially increases the attractivness of the owner to women at the expense of the poor Ford driving sap and all those saps like him.

Also , sure, some men (and many women) are not taht bright but not all and I fail to see how a natural instinct to be attracted to the most feminine form can be viewed as stupid.

Libertarian Girl said...

Should we force a tax on those who drive Hummers because it makes somone else feel bad that they can only drive a Ford and the man driving a Hummer is more attractive to women than men driving a Ford?This is a very good point! But the difference is that the Hummer doesn't harm the health of the person who buys it. Breast augmentation surgery can lead to health complications. Society would be better off if women competed by buying expensive clothes instead of by undergoing surgery.

Tim Swanson said...

Haha, come on now. Why not $8,000 or $1 million? You state yourself that it is entirely arbitrary... yet somehow I do not see how this moral outrage fleshes with the non-aggression principle (how exactly is the augmented woman initiating force against others?).

How about this, try to refrain from getting boob jobs and tell others to do the same.

Next thing you'll be wanting to tax or outlaw are pedicures, hair cuts, mini-skirts, wonderbras, tanning salons, shaved legs, et al., becuase they artificially inflate and enhance the image of a woman... at the expense of other women.

Libertarian Girl said...

Tanning salons cause cancer, so they fall under the same category as breast augmentation surgery. Tanning salons should also be taxed.

Adam said...

Hey hey hey. Don't judge us all here. I'll admit to liking big breasts*, but I would have serious issues dating a girl with implants. It's just one of those things that puts me off. I can't even explain why, breast implants just creep me out.

*And medium breasts, and small breasts. Perkiness matters more than size.

Old Blind Dog said...

Self mutilation (implants, piercings, tattoos, etc.) is evidence of deeper problems. I avoid people like this if at all possible. YMMV

EZE said...

Taxes? You've got to be kidding. None of the health "externalities" would be an issue if we didn't interfer in the private market of health care. Removing government from health care is the solution; then women would have to bear the full bront of the personal costs.

downtownlad said...

Well I'm gay, so I couldn't care less!

Publicola said...

LG,
You're actually supporting what is in essence a sin tax? A tax designed for th epurpose of prohibiting or reducing behavior that's viewed as unacceptable?

Here in Co the good socialists of this state did just that - 64 cents a pack on smokes. Now you can argue that smoking causes health problems in people (which varies with several factors) & that it's better for everyone if no one smokes.

But what should be addressed is not whether it's a good idea or not to discourage behavior that harms someone that engages in it, but is it really government's place to do so.

Taxes should be collected for one purpose only - to fund the necessary functions of government. Want people to stop engaging in a certain behavior? Then try education. It's a slippery ass slope we tread when we start using taxes for regulatory purposes rather than collecting revenue. Also at least one SCOTUS case towards the turn of the 19th century decided that was an unconstitutional exercise of government power.

As for the net harm to society - again educate not legislate. In this instance if women with smaller breasts feel neglected or out gunned so to speak they can either join the crowd or find other ways to compete.

But instead of stringing together a chain of causality that eventually results in harm I generally limit myself to objecting to things that cause direct & immediate harm to another individual. It's much simpler that way as it avoids some rather out there conclusions.

& just for the record there are a sizable number of guys (myself included) who don't value the size of the breasts more than the proportions of the lady they belong to. I know women seem to think that all guys like large breasts but this is simply not the case.

One last thing - wouldn't you say women who sleep with men on the first date cause economic harm to women who wait till at least the third? I mean it decreases their chance of getting one or two more dates before they have to decide whether or not to have sex with the guy. So under your logic for taxing breast enhancement surgery then we should also tax women who put out on the first date.

David said...

I think you are kidding...the whole idea is just counter-libertarian.

But in case you're serious...I question the idea of "desensitization." Would you argue that, if an artist creates a great painting, it doesn't increase the amount of perceived beauty in the world, because it simply raises expectations? How is this different?

The above being a totally theoretical point...I think the operation is silly in almost all cases.

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Walt said...

Okay, I get it. I see the problem. Er, problems. But
I think I can suggest a compromise that might be acceptable.

Just do one of 'em.

Phildoggo said...

Wouldn't a tax like that be a bit dangerous? Think of all the lines of men who would scramble to pay it for those women, stretching out the door, across the sidewalk, and onto the road, into the way of women drivers. Ok, ok, just kidding. I really have no opinion on this either way. Just don't like taxes at all. -Phildoggo Nutrition & Weight Loss

Phildoggo said...

Wouldn't a tax like that be a bit dangerous? Think of all the lines of men who would scramble to pay it for those women, stretching out the door, across the sidewalk, and onto the road, into the way of women drivers. Ok, ok, just kidding. I really have no opinion on this either way. Just don't like taxes at all. -Phildoggo Nutrition & Weight Loss

Dr. Bowel said...

Reminds me of the story of the retired brassiere manufacturer who after retirement still liked to keep his hands in the business. (Sorry couldn't resist!)

So if I follow your logic to its natural conclusion and we really wanted to balance the budget, that every woman in the country should get a boob job! Maybe two or three. And the bigger the boob job the bigger the tax.

Well....I'm all for patriotism! LOL!

Although I like your idea...I think you are unaware as to how perverted our Congress and Senate actually is.
They would pass a bill like that.

Thanks for the unique viewpoint! Very thought provoking.

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John said...

Breast augmentation surgery can lead to health complications. Society would be better off if women competed by buying expensive clothes instead of by undergoing surgery.From your "Libertarianism and Iraq" post:

I get mad when I think about things like the No Child Left Behind Act or authoritarian "just say no to drugs" laws.Supporting eliminating the drug laws is, I think, the libertarian motto (one I'm frequently accused of spouting too often). However, one cannot make the argument of eliminating the drug laws (and, let's be honest, drugs can and have caused problems) while turning around and saying that the health complications of breast surgery is reason enough to use taxes (severe taxes, in this instance) to eliminate a great deal of profitability from an industry, simply cause of a notion that "society would be better off".

I must concur with Peter above when he says you should hand in your libertarian card. The idea of a tax to discourage behavior because a select group feels it's wrong is a notion directly in combat with the libertarian notion.

The drug laws were formed for the very same reason (albeit to a more extreme level), and that didn't turn out very well.

John said...

CORRECTION:

"directly in combat with libertarian ideals"

Matt Armstrong said...

**Libertarian Girl said…
**Big breasts are like high heels: sexy but impractical.


I got one for you: girls that try to leave the domestic realm are like socialist thinkers: failures.

jeremy h. said...
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Billy Beck said...

You have absolutely motherfucking *got* to be putting me on with this bloody rotten horseshit.

If you can seriously call yourself a "libertarian", then all bets are off, and I get to point out that you are a first-class all-time rutabaga.

John T. Kennedy said...

If this post were a joke it would be a pretty good one.

Joshua_Holmes said...

What another woman puts in her chest is none of your damn business.

crashtech said...

A tax on implants is an authoritarian idea, not a libertarian one.

Stephan Kinsella said...

Unless this is sarcasm, this is a sad thing to see. Has libertarianism come to this?

Plus, of course, if all women had nice endowments, it it would not be the same as now due to desensitization; the world would be a better place.

jEntertainment said...

Sweet heart,

I see you have made a common mistake that I have found scattered throughout the political realm. You are assuming that you "know" what people want and what they need. That my dear is not called libertarianism, it's formally known as socialism.
One cannot ass-u-me larger breasts are in any way better or in higher demand than a set of nice perky ones. I don't have the numbers to back me up, but I personally know far more (4) women who have had their breasts surgically reduced over implants. Should they too pay your tax? And what about women who have lost a breast to breast cancer and would like an artifical replacement? Should they pay your tax? And why not add dental work?

You say men are dumb and want large breasts, but about woman who are attracted to women? Do you know what they want too?

Jeramie J Hieb
jEntertainment

P.S. To know the truth, most men care more about butts.

tom_d_perkins said...

I sure hope it's an attempt at humor. If not, please be prepared yourself to cough up about two bits each week to someone for your light tresses and baby blues.

In fact, be prepared for mousy brown dye and unremarkably gray contact lenses.

There is no especially consistent stopping point I can think of between taxing an appearance enhancing procedure which people are willing to undergo for whatever reasons are good enough for them, and taxing people who benefit from "undeserved" genetic allotments peculiarly providing them current social norms of beauty.

It would tend to direct the money spent on cosmetics towards other and by what are ostensibly your lights, more productive ends.

To purloin Bradbury: Hush Harrison, put your fetters and blinds back on! And it's time for another injection to dull your above average mind.

All in all LG, I can't believe you were serious.

Sincerely, Tom Perkins, molon labe, montani semper liber, & para fides paterna patriae

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